How To Check If Your Lower Is Registered As A Pistol

DanVoils

I recently picked up an RRA Lower in a merchandise. I was told information technology was listed as "other" and then I could use it as a pistol or a rifle equally wanted. How would I go well-nigh verifying this?
Cheers,
Dan

ctbreitwieser

Is it a stripped receiver? If so, it should have been sold as "other", the all-time style to notice out for sure would be to contact the person you got it from and ask them the dealers proper name he or she bought it from. Then contact that dealer and ask. Thats probably the only way to find out for sure.

DanVoils

Information technology's a fully built lower. Not sure if I accept his info any more. Any other means to tell?

IndyGunworks

If its a fully built lower thats like shooting fish in a barrel. A pistol buffer would indicate pistol, and a rifle buffer would indicate rifle.

Now if there is not buffer and its non a FULLY built lower the only way to know for sure is to get your easily on the 4473 that the seller filled out when he bought it. If thats checked "other" and the seller never had a buffer installed then it is indeed an "other"

If the seller admits to having put a buffer on the lower, and so whatever information technology had on information technology is what information technology is IE rifle buffer = rifle pistol buffer = pistol

I uncertainty you volition find Whatsoever ffl that volition dig through thousands of documents to run into which box was checked, so you lot might Endeavor to phone call the manufacturer and run into what that item was shipped out as.

ALL that in listen the atf in gild to prosectute would have to go through the same routes. If you want piece of mind then dont buy used. purchase a new stripped lower and verify that your ffl checks the "other" box. otherwise there probably is no positive fashion of knowing for certain.

wsenefeld

If he bought it as a complete rifle then its a rifle, complete pistol, its a pistol. If he merely had a lower transfered from a dealer, its Other unless he transfered information technology in California, then its a rifle.

If he had a stripped lower transfered then build what you wish.

IndyGunworks

If he bought it as a consummate rifle and so its a burglarize, consummate pistol, its a pistol. If he simply had a lower transfered from a dealer, its Other unless he transfered it in California, then its a rifle.
If he had a stripped lower transfered and so build what y'all wish.

Close, but not quite. Some FFL'due south who rush paperwork might check the burglarize box, or the pistol box instead of the other box.

That does officially make it whatever the box is checked. I would think well-nigh ffl's would cheque other for a stripped lower, only a simple paperwork error (checking the wrong box) could cause lots of headache. Like if they check burglarize, and y'all put a pistol buffer on it. One time a rifle e'er a rifle. While that would be VERY tedious for the atf to try and show/enforce that, it is a possibility albiet ever and so slight.

wsenefeld

Close, only not quite. Some FFL'southward who rush paperwork might check the rifle box, or the pistol box instead of the other box.
That does officially make it whatsoever the box is checked. I would think most ffl's would cheque other for a stripped lower, but a simple paperwork error (checking the wrong box) could crusade lots of headache. Like if they bank check burglarize, and you put a pistol buffer on it. Once a rifle always a rifle. While that would exist VERY tedious for the atf to effort and prove/enforce that, it is a possibility albiet e'er and so slight.

Shut, simply non quite...

The atf does not recognize a receiver equally anything only a firearm and has explicitly stated that a receiver is neither rifle, shotgun, or pistol because it does not have the proper features to make it such. If the receiver was marked as a rifle or pistol then that is on the FFL for incorrect paperwork. In addition, you must be 21 years of historic period because there is the potential to make the said receiver into a pistol fifty-fifty if you express you intend to build a rifle.

http://www.atf.gov/printing/releases/2009/07/070709-openletter-ffl-gca.pdf

DanVoils

I got the idea from the seller that he got information technology stripped and built information technology up. What if I took the rifle buffer off and put on a pistol? How would the ATF know? The serial number doesn't show pistol or rifle does it?

IndyGunworks

Close, but not quite...
If burglarize or pistol was checked then that is on the FFL dealer for incorrect paperwork. The atf has explicitly stated that a receiver is neither burglarize, shotgun, or pistol considering it does not have the proper features to brand it such. In addition, you lot must be 21 years of historic period because there is the potential to make the said receiver into a pistol even if you lot express you intend to build a burglarize.

http://www.atf.gov/press/releases/2009/07/070709-openletter-ffl-gca.pdf

Almost just,
One could contend that the dealer checked "rifle" considering it had a buffer tube fastened when the person bought information technology. They then removed the buffer tube and are selling it as a stripped reciever. Its notwithstanding so classified as a rifle.

IndyGunworks

I got the idea from the seller that he got it stripped and built it up. What if I took the rifle buffer off and put on a pistol? How would the ATF know? The serial number doesn't bear witness pistol or rifle does it?

Once its had a rifle buffer on it its always a rifle. How the atf would know? Well pictures, internet posts ect ect. We are not talking about how to get away with something here which in this case is super easy. we are talking about the alphabetic character of the police. and once Anything has had a stock on it, its ever considered a rifle.

Thats why the shorty shotguns are legal in indiana Only if they are made from a virgin reciever because that makes them an AOW. If yous have a stock off a shotgun reciever information technology cannot exist turned into an AOW, merely tin ONLY be a short barreled shotgun considering it had a stock on it at one time. How would the ATF evidence this is the case? well they would see that it was originally transfered as a long gun, and non as "other" same thing would employ to stripped ar recievers.

wsenefeld

About but,
1 could contend that the dealer checked "rifle" because information technology had a buffer tube attached when the person bought information technology. They then removed the buffer tube and are selling information technology every bit a stripped reciever. Its yet then classified equally a rifle.

Correct, if in that location was already a buffer tube attached so it had the requirements to classify it every bit rifle or pistol depending on the buffer. If it was merely a stripped receiver than it tin can but be marked as other... unless you live in comiefornia

DanVoils

Once its had a rifle buffer on it its always a rifle. How the atf would know? Well pictures, internet posts ect ect. Nosotros are not talking nearly how to go away with something here which in this case is super easy. nosotros are talking about the letter of the constabulary. and once ANYTHING has had a stock on it, its always considered a burglarize.
Thats why the shorty shotguns are legal in indiana Simply if they are made from a virgin reciever because that makes them an AOW. If you accept a stock off a shotgun reciever information technology cannot exist turned into an AOW, only can ONLY be a short barreled shotgun considering it had a stock on information technology at ane time. How would the ATF prove this is the instance? well they would run across that it was originally transfered as a long gun, and non as "other" same thing would utilize to stripped ar recievers.

Makes sense. I'thou not trying to become by with anything was just wondering how they could tell. I've seen stripped lowers for sale for $30-$fifty so it's non a money issue, I was wondering how the paper trail could exist recovered to bear witness it was an "other".
Thanks for the aid and answers.
Dan

lucky4034

I got the idea from the seller that he got it stripped and built it up. What if I took the rifle buffer off and put on a pistol? How would the ATF know? The serial number doesn't testify pistol or rifle does it?

I wouldn't make this known :):

I was told when I researched that once a rifle ever a burglarize... and so if he had a rifle stock on information technology, its a rifle for life.

I would double check with the FFL to see whats on the paperwork.... I'd be shocked if he sold a lower with a rifle stock listed as "other".

MtnBiker6510

Very interesting to read.

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ctbreitwieser

I'thousand not 100% sure on this, but I'm almost positive the ATF changed the constabulary stating a rifle cannot be changed to a pistol. It was a pretty recent change, only I think I read in the NFA department. Id look for it, but I'm sitting ina treestand right now and don't take time.